GEOFF BENNETT: Good evening.
I'm Geoff Be AMNA NAWAZ: On the "News We talk to Democrat Joe Manchin about what happens next.
GEOFF BENNETT: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejects Hamas' and says complete victory is just months away.
AMNA NAWAZ: And tensions remain high in Iraq, as Shia militias reg strikes by U.S. forces.
SHEIK RAGHEB AL-KARBOULI, li ke this with action and reaction by the parties involved, it may lead to an unpr regional war.
(BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: Welcome to the "NewsHour."
Tonight, the future of the U.S. border crisis and for allies across the world rests with the U.S. Senate, which earlier today blocked the bipartisan bill to address immigration and Ukraine funding and now is frozen while considering what happens next.
GEOFF BENNETT: It follows an unusual day in the House yest lost votes on articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and a stand-alone aid package for Israel.
Congressional correspondent Lisa Desjardins has been So, Lisa, Senate Republicans and five Democrats blocked that border compromise Se nate.
The day, of Could any part of this LI SA DESJARDINS: That is the question right now.
Democrats are trying to salvage the Ukraine, Israel and other f bill.
But I want t Let's take a look at the Senate floor right now.
You can see almost nothing happening on the in and out.
And that is beca on a way forward.
The question is whether th Senator Schumer this morning talked to us and said he is hopeful.
He wants it to pass the Senate, so that it can put pressure on the House.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUME they want to do Israel.
And we hope that if we p The House is in chaos.
It doesn't behoove the speaker well t just want chaos.
LISA DESJARDIN down what's in it in future days.
But, right now, I want to talk An d I try very hard not to harm people's heads and brains w But I want to try and explain the strange paradox that we are in right now.
First, as you explained, let's take a look, that there is this block from mostly Republicans today and four Democrats, one independent, over the border and Ukraine funding bill.
Now, so what Democrats have off foreign aid.
But the proble their own border policy ideas in this.
Essentially, Geoff, what's going on here is that Republica about what this bill should look like.
Their internal divides are holding a lot Right now, Senator McConnell, the Republican leader, Senator Sc trying to work out if they can just bring up enough different ideas to the move anything forward.
It is minute by minute, and GEOFF BENNETT: And, Lisa, in the Lower Chamber at the finish line in trying to bring articles of impeachment against the DHS secretary.
What does it say about their capacity to pass anything or to really just govern at the most basic level?
LISA DESJARD now under Republicans doing some of their key priorities.
The impeachment of Secretary Mayorkas was a priority for House re ported last night, they failed on that vote.
Now, it was dramatic.
House Republicans floor.
But if that votes, you have a much larger problem.
Also failed yesterday a bill to fund Israel support for that.
House Speaker Mike Joh he did speak to reporters about what happened this morning.
REP. MIKE JOHNSON We live in a t We have a razor-thin margin here, and every Sometimes, when you are counting votes and people show up when they're not be in the building, it changes the equation.
Again, the process is mess LISA DESJARDINS: Now, what's interesting, Geoff, is that he told us, the th ey are committed to bring back the impeachment of Secretary Mayorkas in the future.
But we did not get answers on what they plan to do on the border itself, the crisis there, or on Ukraine funding.
Now, a senator, Senato and that Mike Johnson said, a larger aid package is dead.
So there is a lot of confusion, a lot of questions.
And I will say, I have a very large capacity, I nonsense and irrationality.
But this week has given even me a head And the stakes are incredibly high.
GEOFF BENNETT: Well, h as you put it?
LISA DESJARD poll over who they think handles immigration better.
Now, it may not be a surprise that voters, registered vot 42 percent, Democrats 30 percent.
Now, the next highest category was folks who 19 percent.
This is impo Republicans.
They see imm However, when you dig down deeper and ask about approval of members of Congress, let's look at what registered voters said there.
Who do they approve, Democrats in Congress Vo ters feel better about Democrats in Congress.
Neither, by the way, get a majority approval.
Democrats edge out Republicans.
But here's the important part.
Let's look at how each party's So when you ask Democratic voters, do you approve of your Democratic members of Congr 77 percent yes.
Look at that.
Republican voter of members of Congress.
Who do Republican voters approv -- 84 percent favorable for Donald Trump.
And that is the problem for Republicans here.
Their own voters don't really like them.
Their voters like Donald Trump.
They continue to try and b And they're not able to come up with any formula that works.
And the result is this legislative gridlock on very big is GEOFF BENNETT: All right.
That is Lisa Lisa, thanks so much.
LISA DESJARD GEOFF BENNET spoke with West Virginia Democratic Senator Joe Manchin to get his react Senator Joe Manchin, welcome to the "NewsHour."
SEN. JOE MANCHIN Thank you fo GEOFF BENNET I want to st blocking the border security deal that the GOP initially said it wanted.
What do you see as the impact and the implications of the unraveling of what would have been the most significant immigration law in decades?
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: witnessed today on the floor of the Senate.
The only thing I can tell you, it reaffirmed my decision not to run again, because totally come to the conclusion -- they reaffirmed it today -- you're not going to fix Washington with the political discourse and division that we have here in Washington.
So I'm going to do everything I can going around the country trying to get people t understand that the pressure has to be put on.
It's about our country.
It's not about you or And people that are running that's worried about themselves or or the party they belong to, that should be immaterial concerning what to do, which is basically protecting and defending the Constitution and healing our country.
Geoff, 18,000 Border Patrol agents, 18,000 have supported this piece of legislation, not for political reasons.
These are people that day one.
They now have said this is the most transform would secure our border.
And then, all of a sudden, beca GEOFF BENNETT: And at the moment, it appears emerge Indo-Pacific region, all of that stands in limbo as well.
You serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: GEOFF BENNET aid can be delivered to Ukraine?
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: And I would like to think that pe Ukraine desperately needs our support.
We need Ukraine to win this fight.
We need them to stop Russia.
They have been unbelievable An d they have been able to show the vulnerabilities of Russia, which I think has been h when you see those bad actors we have around the world that would like to cohere around another movement.
And we have co Iran.
And to give themselves, with the assistance of us, but fighting it themselves, and we're not going to be there for them?
Shame on anybody that wo outcome.
Unbelievable GEOFF BENNET your decision to not seek reelection.
Back in December, you said that you were launching th ere's a national movement for a third-party ticket.
It's been two months.
What have you de SEN. JOE MANCHIN: on March will tell you what you have.
Are we going to have what we have now?
Have they moved and changed Has the Grand Old Party, can it become grand again?
And can the Democratic Party become the responsible, Can they come back, or are they going to stay in their respective corners, extreme left and extreme right, where you basically have a radical, if you will, radical po that they're trying to mainstream?
They're weaponizing the politica They're making people pick a side, and the other side -- whatever other side's supposed to be your enemy, Geoff.
Well, I can assure you, the other si That's my colleague.
We might have difference We might be opponents on differen to strengthen and make our country better.
If you want to find out where the enemy is, I can to do us harm around the country -- or around the world, but it's not fellow An d we're allowing that to be weaponized.
And we have to stop that.
GEOFF BENNETT: SEN. JOE MANCHIN: So I'm going There's othe GEOFF BENNETT: The dynamics of the race likely won't change between now a will likely emerge with Donald Trump as the Republican nominee and Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee.
So what more are you waiti SEN. JOE MANCHIN: type of an opening, if there's a third party that can truly b spoiler, that's a whole 'nother condition.
That's a whole 'nother scenario.
No one knows about that and who I believe the country's ready for a person who might at one time in their life, a person who might be identified as a Republican one time in their life, different party affiliations at one time that aren't going to subscribe the extremes of both parties and can come together as a team to run our country and put it back together, so we're -- continue to be the great United States of America, and not let ourselves become the divided states of America.
We will be looking for that.
GEOFF BENNETT: Would tha SEN. JOE MANCHIN: Could be a lot of people.
There's a lo they couldn't take anymore.
I can't either.
It's ridicul GEOFF BENNET that Donald Trump gains when a moderate independent candidate is include He gets a four-point -- four-point gain.
Is there a way to be a third-party candidate wi History suggests there isn't.
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: I'm not going to start now.
And I'm not goin I won't -- I would never be involved in a movement such as that.
We have to see clear evidence that there's some other opportunity that we so lidify our country, unite our country.
GEOFF BENNETT: CNN reported days ago that a Joe Biden health scare or a Donald Trump conviction could give you an opening to as an independent.
Is that the ca SEN. JOE MANCHIN: I just -- I don't have a burning desire.
And I have said that.
I'm not out I will do whatever it takes and and protect my country and bring it together.
And I believe we are dangerously -- and, after today' we have, a crisis we have facing us, which is the unsecured border, and we have a fix, the people that are opposed to the Democrat administration that caused the problem, but are willing to fix it today, and the Republicans who have identified the problem and we worked together and got a bill and a compromise Republican-Democrat bill, the border security bill that we have in front of us today.
And they walked away fro That's what's wrong.
That's what we should GEOFF BENNETT: There why you're needed in the Senate, that you are the only Democrat arguably st atewide across West Virginia and that, as Democrats face a tough election map for the Senate, to try to keep control of the Senate, they need you there.
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: It's -- I have been he I have been in public se I have given everything I have to represe West Virginia and to defend the Constitution.
I have done everything I can.
And I will continue.
I have come The politics, the business of politics, the business of the Democrat of the Republican Party, the amount of money comes in by just fighting for your own identity and your own party is not what we need for our country.
But the business model is so profitable, they're not going to change, Geoff.
And unless the people demand changes, it's not going to happen.
GEOFF BENNETT: That is Democratic Senator from West Virginia Joe Manchin.
Thank you for your time, sir.
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: Appreciate i GEOFF BENNETT: Sure thing.
SEN. JOE MANCHIN: AMNA NAWAZ: In the day's other headlines: A new wave of Russian miss struck six regions across Ukraine and killed at least five civilians.
The bombardment targeted at least three major cities, including Kyiv.
Attacks there gutted several floors of an 18-story apartment building and triggered the city's first major power outage this winter.
A pair of bombings in Pakistan killed at least 30 people today on the eve of elections.
More than tw The attacks targeted political of of the country.
One bomb exploded at an The second blew up the office of a radical Islamist party about 80 miles away, but party leaders insisted they won't be stopped.
MOLVI HAMIDULLAH, Local Pakistani Leader (throug our determination and continue our work.
We will continue our election activities without any fe These blasts will not stop us from our working.
AMNA NAWAZ: Late tonight in Pakistan, the Islamic State gr for those bombings.
A historymaking storm gave parts moved out.
Since the we dropping up to a foot of rain.
Collapsing hillsides remained a threat tod The storm is now blamed for nine deaths.
Five U.S. Marines are missing tonight after their helicopter went down in Sout during that storm.
The wreckage of the Super in Pine Valley, east of San Diego.
The Marine Corps says the crew had been on a training flight and we base in San Diego.
In Nevada, the Republican primary results are in, Former President Trump skipped Tuesday's contest, which did not award any delegates.
Instead, his campaign encouraged voters to choose the "None of these candidates" option, and it beat Nikki Haley by better than 2-1.
In the state's Democratic primary, President Biden And on Wall Street, a series of upbeat earnings reports helped stocks move higher.
The Dow Jones industrial average gained 156 points to close at 38677.
The Nasdaq rose 147 points, or 1 percent, and the S&P 500 was up 40 points.
Still to come on the "NewsHour": the Supreme Court prepares to hear arguments on whether Donald Trump can be barred from Colorado's presidential ballot; Meta's president of global affairs on the challenges of A.I.-generated content and misinformation; the army veteran co-owner of a women's tackle football team gives her Brief But Spectacular take on building a team; plus much more.
GEOFF BENNETT: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today rejected a counterproposal from Hamas that would have paused the war in exchange for releasing Israeli hostages over the next few months.
But U.S. Secretary of State Nick Schifrin examines the state of diplomacy and what it means for U.S. efforts in the region.
NICK SCHIFRI goals for the war, absolute victory.
And he said the Israel Defense Forces could achieve th of months."
BENJAMIN NET the military pressure is a ne Surrendering to Hamas' delusional demands that we heard now not only won't lead to freeing the captives.
It will just It will invite a major disaster wa nt to accept.
NICK SCHIFRI and children first and then a promise of two more releases, including soldiers and the bodies of hostages who died in captivity.
Hamas' counterproposal goes further, demanding an I areas and then from Gaza completely.
It also demands reconstruction, more than 50 understanding that Hamas would remain in power.
The U.S. has hoped a pause in the war could spark broade Today, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said talks over the hostages would continue.
ANTONY BLINKEN, U.S. Secretary of State: While there are some clear nonstarters in Hamas' response, we do think it creates space for agreement to be reached.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Netanyahu made clear the war would continue.
He said Israel had so far killed 20,000 Hamas fighters, an would extend into the southern city of Rafah, where more than half of Gaza's 2.3 million people are now sheltering.
So, where do things stand?
For that, we get two views.
Marwan Muasher was Jordan's foreign mi 2005.
He's now vic And Dennis Ross was a longtime Middle East peace negotiator for both Republican and Democratic administrations.
He's now a d Thank you very much, both of you.
Welcome back to the Dennis Ross, let me start wi What is your reactio DENNIS ROSS, Former U.S.
Envoy to Middle East: I think he really had two audiences in mind.
One audience was Yahya Sinwar, who is the head of the military wing in Gaza and a is the person in control in Gaza.
And the other audience was probably the right wing of his knows they're threatening to break the government if he looks like he's prepared to end the war or give in too much to Hamas.
So I think, for Sinwar, what he wanted to signal was, look, you're asking war and you stay in power?
No way.
Not acceptin This was Netanyahu's way of he 's going to negotiate hard.
And I would say designed to produce a negotiation.
I don't think there was any Hamas expectation that the this.
NICK SCHIFRI if it is negotiate hard?
MARWAN MUASH will not end until he kills the Hamas leaders, then, from the point of view of Hamas, w should they agree to release hostages and then agree to a truce of whatever, two months, three months, and then after that they get bombed again?
So, if this is the real position of Mr. Netanyahu, then I'm afraid th Secretary Blinken talked about the Palestinian position being a nonstarter.
I see the Israeli one being a nonstarter if this is the real position.
I think the priority today has to be an end, a permanent end to the war.
After 27,000 people killed, one cannot keep talking about truces that are not permanent.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Dennis Ross, is this Netanyahu's actual position, or is this a public stance?
And does this doom any effort to end the war in Gaza, even if temporarily?
DENNIS ROSS: Look, I do think it's a negotiating posture, but I also think that tw o -- at this point, two irreconcilable positions.
The Hamas position, as Marwan just suggested, is, they want an end to the war and they wan to remain in power.
And the Israeli position is, at the end of the day, Ham I do think what the actual position should be, at least on the Israeli side, should be the demilitarization of Gaza and the certainty that it can't be remilitarized.
I also think you can say you can tie reconstruction to demilitarization, something the Israelis are in the process of doing.
No one is going to be able to it's a group, partly because in some ways it's embedded, at least sociolog cally, psych in Gaza.
But Hamas not bein are objectives, I think, that could be achieved.
And I think, if the focus turns so irreconcilable, might be reachable.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Marwan Muasher, no t in power?
MARWAN MUASHER: I do The endgame has to be the end of the occupation.
If we talk about the package where the endgame is the end of the occupation of a Palestinian state, a lot of these questions that are difficult to answer today become easier to answer.
Are we serious about finally en the United States says it is?
In the end, Hamas has to become We have seen this with the IRA in Ireland.
We have seen this in many countries across the world.
We have seen organizations that were called terrorists, but that became poli in the end.
Look, today, the Palesti Sixty percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and G rule over Gaza after the war.
These are numbers that cannot be ignored.
The question is, how do we give these people a political horizon, so in armed resistance, but they do believe that finally a process can lead to the end of the occupation?
NICK SCHIFRI So what the U.S. theory of the case right now is larger discussions about exactly what Marwan Muasher just said, Gaza reconstruction, the future governance of Gaza, and then normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, leading to a two-state solution.
Is that the correct appr DENNIS ROSS: I think it is a logical one, and I think it could be the right one.
Obviously, it's not just that the devils are in the details.
The Israeli public was traumatized by October 7.
They fear, when you talk about a Palestinian state, that Hamas will come state, and Hamas, by definition, doesn't accept the two-state outcome.
And this is not just a recent phenomenon.
This was the case throughout the 1990s.
Every time we were making progress, we got a Hama There is an ideology in Hamas that rejects Israel's existence.
The question is, do you have a Palestinian national movement that, in the en dominated by those and who will demonstrate they're dominated and control the movement that is prepared to live with Israel as a nation-state of the Jewish people?
If that becomes very clear, then you can get a Palestinian state.
You're not going to have peace until you have an end of occupation.
But there's got to be responsibi ity and accountability on both sides.
On the Israeli side, they're going to have to demonstrate they're pre an independent Palestinian state.
But the Palestinians are also going reject the idea of two states.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Marwan Muasher, is there Palestinian wo rking on today that could foresee that future that Dennis Ross just imagined happening?
MARWAN MUASHER: Of course.
Of course.
One of them NICK SCHIFRIN: Marwan Barghouti, whom Israel tried and convicted of terrorism years ago, but maintains his political viability and is one of the most popular Palestinian leaders today.
MARWAN MUASH I mean, we t What about the ideology of members of the Israeli Cabi for the expulsion of Palestinians?
Ideologies exist on both sides.
We need to change the mind-sets there is a partner on the other side.
And the only way we can change the mind-set pr ocess, but a serious process that ends the occupation.
If we do that, I believe we can change the mind-set of both Palestinians and the Israelis But, today, we cannot have the extremist ideologies once again on both sides dictate the outcome of this conflict.
NICK SCHIFRI in Baghdad.
The U.S. mil of Kataib Hezbollah, one of the pro-Iranian militias, in Iraq responsible for the deaths of three U.S. service members, U.S. military saying that it killed the commander -- quote -- "responsible for directly planning and participating" in that attack.
Dennis Ross first, could this kind of attack end attacks by pro-Iranian militias on U. service members in Iraq and Syria?
DENNIS ROSS: It's clear that it has to do is that a threshold was crossed when three Americans were killed.
And then, when that happens, the American response is going to be disproportionate to what we saw before.
The U.S. is with fire.
Is this going to be su I'm not sure.
NICK SCHIFRI MARWAN MUASHER: I still think that both the United States and Iran are n in widening the conflict.
I think that what we have seen so far, tactical engagements.
But I do not think that they An d I certainly hope they don't.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Marwan Muasher, DENNIS ROSS: Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ: American forces for years and was a target of the first American strikes last Friday.
But another group bore most of the dead and casualties and claims no connection to the attacks on the U.S. Special correspondent Simo Iraq and met members of this other paramilitary group for this exclusive report.
SIMONA FOLTYN: Conflict is spreading through the Middle East; 400 miles from Gaza, another front has claimed three American and many more Iraqi lives.
We have been driving for hours into the deserts of Western Iraq to reach a place ca It's located near Iraq's border with Syria and has been heavily hit by American airstrikes.
Those strikes were the Biden administration's response to a drone attack that killed three U.S. service members in Jordan, but who exactly did they hit?
This stretch of barren land has been carved up between a number of armed actors jostling for power and control over the strategic border.
Akashat, a small town left abandoned since the war with ISIS, falls under the 13 of the Popular Mobilization Forces, an umbrella group of paramilitary forces formed to fight ISIS beginning in 2014 and that are now officially part of Iraq's security forces.
Abu Saif witnessed the attacks.
He tells me that the first missile struck the military hospital.
ABU SAIF AL-TAMIMI, Soldier, Popular Mobilization Forces (through translator): Around t to four rockets hit the hospital.
Five people were inside.
All of them were killed.
SIMONA FOLTYN: The in total were killed.
ABU SAIF AL-TAMIMI that anyone who's injured can't get medical care.
SIMONA FOLTYN: So you think it was on purpose?
ABU SAIF AL-TAMIMI (through translat Why else would they start with the hospital?
SIMONA FOLTYN: This is the first time Bri the United States, and many here are struggling to understand why.
It's not part of the four entities that make up another, more secretive grouping called the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, which has claimed responsibility for attacking American troops at bases throughout Iraq and Syria.
ABU SAIF AL-TAMIMI (through translator): We don't have They can't get to those who carry out the attacks, so they target those protec country's borders.
SIMONA FOLTYN: The group forces is Kataib Hezbollah.
I visited their bases not far from Akashat Ka taib Hezbollah is the most powerful of the self-dubbed resistance, but part of it has been incorporated into the larger PMF, and it tries to use this official government-bestowed status to shield itself from American retaliation.
The United States has designated Kataib Hezbollah and other members of their resistance as terr organizations.
The Pentagon by Iran's Revolutionary Guards" -- unquote -- and not the Popular Mobilization Forces, or PMF, which is part of the Iraqi state.
But the targeting of the PMF's Brigade 13 here in Akashat raises cl aims and the accuracy of the intelligence.
The other possibility, some Iraqi officials it s definition of what it regards as a legitimate target to all of the PMF.
Under heavy guard, the commander arrives to inspect the aftermath of the strikes.
His men warily eye an American surveillance drone hovering above.
Qasem Musleh heads Brigade 13 and the PMF in this area.
He tells me that these installations have never been used to launch attacks on American forces.
QASEM MUSLEH this entire sector falls under my responsibility.
It has no aggressive activities towards American forces.
We are part of the Popular Mobilization Forces, an SIMONA FOLTYN: There are accusations against you that the 13th Brigade, or Liwa Tafuf, enabled groups like Kataib Hezbollah to launch attacks against the Americans.
QASEM MUSLEH (through translator): First of all, I hope that the United States will reveal one piece of evidence that there is support to the resistance factions.
There was no leadership here, as they claimed, or people with ties to foreign countries, or who took part in strikes on coalition forces.
SIMONA FOLTYN: So you can say with absolute confid American forces?
QASEM MUSLEH SIMONA FOLTYN: What is your message to the American government?
QASEM MUSLEH (through translator): First of all, let agents who transmit information.
The information they received is false.
They should verify the information they rec SIMONA FOLTYN: The White House gave plenty of advance warning of impending strikes, giv the factions responsible for attacking American troops time to vacate their facilities, and leaving others to pay the price, including civilians.
We drive onwards to al-Qaim, where American strikes targeted a Kataib Hezbollah base inside a residential area.
There, I met Anmar Al-Ra His younger brother, 20-year-old student Abdelrahman, was killed when home.
ANMAR AL-RAW I carried my brother's body away with my own hands.
We are civilians.
This is our area.
It belongs to SIMONA FOLTYN: This security camera captured the impa phone the sobs of desperate relatives.
It's unclear whether this was a direct hit from an American warplane or secondary explosions from weapons depots that caught fire.
Who do you think bears the responsibility for your brother's d ANMAR AL-RAWI (through translator): In the first place, the Americans.
Of course, their strike was a reaction to the attack on them, but their response fell on the civilians, not on the militaries.
Not one from Kataib Hezbollah was killed.
They knew there was ammunition in the base and that civilians would SIMONA FOLTYN: Nearby, people gather to pay their respects for the dead.
Many Iraqis see the U.S. strikes not as self-defense, but as yet another violation of their country's sovereignty.
Tribal leader Ragheb SH EIK RAGHEB AL-KARBOULI, Tribal Leader (through translator): Perhaps, if things cont develop like this with action and reaction by the parties involve unpredictable regional war.
SIMONA FOLTYN: I ask him what the solu SHEIK RAGHEB AL-KARBOULI (through translator): The solution to the issue.
An independent P and peace in the entire region.
SIMONA FOLTYN: By striking inside Iraq, many here t while not making enough effort to address the root causes of what has already become a regional war.
For the "PBS NewsH GEOFF BENNETT: Tomorrow, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments in one of the most consequential elections cases ever.
At issue, does the Constitution's Civil War era insurrection Trump from holding higher office?
The court will hear a case out of Colorado is ineligible to be on the ballot there.
Other states have come to the opposite conclusion.
William Brangham explains the background to this historic ca DONALD TRUMP, Former President of the United States (R) and C We fight.
We fight like hell.
WILLIAM BRAN Thousands of supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, trying to stop the certification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election.
But was that day and the events leading up to it an insurrection?
And, if so, does an obscure provision in the Constitution prohibit Donald Trump political office ever again?
Those are some of the key question parse a rarely considered provision of the 14th Amendment for the first time in the court's history.
MANISHA SINH after the Civil War.
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Mani and one of the many researchers who submitted amicus briefs in this case.
MANISHA SINHA: The reason why the framers decided to do this was because they wanted to discourage political domestic violence, which is exactly what is happening in the postwar South at this time.
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Written after of American citizens, particularly formerly enslaved people.
Of its five sections, it's Section 3 that's the crux of this case.
It says, no one who took an oath to support the Constitution can ever hold office again if they -- quote -- "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
Is it clear to you that January 6 and the events leadi constitute any insurrection under Section 3?
DAVID BLIGHT, Yale University: It is my opinion that it does, but it is also very much in the historical record.
WILLIAM BRAN He won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Frederick Douglass and also subm brief to the court.
DAVID BLIGHT: An engage together to resist the power of the federal government by force with a large public aim.
And what could be more important th The mob not only engaged in violence, invaded the U.S. Capitol, broke down its doors, broke down its windows.
It led to deaths.
It led to all sorts of injurie It is a miracle there weren't more guns involved JASON MURRAY, Plaintiffs' Attorney: Who co than a commander in chief who has already tried to do so?
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Last December in Colorado was the first time a group of voters successfully won a case against Trump citing Section 3.
Even though Trump's legal team argued he was simply exercising his right to question the election and never urged anyone to commit violence, Colorado's Supreme Court, in a split decision, ruled Trump had engaged in an insurrection and ordered him struck from the state's Republican primary ballot.
Not long after, Maine's secret should be removed from that state's ballot.
The U.S. Supreme Court will now try to settle what this 150- whether it applies to Donald Trump.
The former president's legal team will argue th that Section 3 isn't applicable because he hasn't been charged or convicted, and that Section 3 doesn't say the president is a -- quote -- "officer of the United States."
MANISHA SINHA: It's quite clear, both to the creators of the 14th Amendment and those who discussed this disqualification clause, that this would apply to the president of the United States.
In order to be p country, and you have to not have incited insurrection against the government of the United States.
WILLIAM BRANGH equally pressing political one.
If the Supreme Court lets Colorado's rulin action, what will it mean for our democracy when millions of Americans cannot cast a vote for Donald Trump because of a constitutional provision that few voters have ever heard of?
For the "PBS AMNA NAWAZ: Meta's policy for dealing with deepfakes and A.I.
is under fire after it allowed an altered video of President Joe Biden to remain online.
This week, Meta's oversight board called the company's manipulated media policies -- quote -- "incoherent and confusing."
Meta now says it's taking a number of measures to a including labeling them as such in the months to come.
Nick Clegg is president of global affairs at Meta, and he joins me now t concerns.
Nick, welcom Thanks for j NICK CLEGG, AMNA NAWAZ: When you begin to label images generated with on your platforms on Facebook and Threads and Instagram, it's There's going to be a little watermark in the corner and a label there, "A.I.
Info."
I guess the if it's not generated on your own platform?
Do you have the tools to detect an A.I.-generated image if NICK CLEGG: Yes, I mean, you make exactly the right distinction, which is, of course, if people use our tools to generate A.I.
images, we know that and we can watermark that.
And we do that already.
So if you use on which makes it very clear that it's not a sort of real photograph taken by a human being.
Your question, quite right, is, what happens when someone uses someone else's tools -- and they're more and more of them and they're multiplying -- and then seeks to share it with their friends and post it on Instagram, Facebook, Threads?
And I think we have made some real progress as an industry within the the umbrella of an organization called Partnership for A.I., which brings together a lot of the main players to develop common standards so that, when we, as it's sort of called in the jargon, ingest, in other words, when we bring on to our platform because someone's sharing it on Instagram or Facebook something which has been concocted elsewhere, has been generated elsewhere, there is an invisible watermark, something which allows our technology to automatically identify it.
And then we what is human and not human, what is synthetic and what is not synthetic.
AMNA NAWAZ: And to be clear, Nick -- I apologize for the -- is that something or something you will be able to do?
NICK CLEGG: It's something we ca and months to come.
But the diffic same kind of common standards on audio or video content.
And, of course, there's always the risk that people who want to use these tools for malicious purposes will try and evade those rules.
I don't think it is a perfect solution.
But just because it's not perfect does not mean tha AMNA NAWAZ: Right.
NICK CLEGG: the state of the technology as it exists today.
AMNA NAWAZ: Well, let me ask you about your poli your own oversight board that said your current policies are a little confus There was this video that spread on Facebook last year.
It was the unaltered original video showed President Biden pl on his granddaughter's chest.
The manipulated one, the fake to uching her.
And that spr You made the Why did that video not violate your rul NICK CLEGG: Well, I should be clear.
The oversight board said that we were right to us for being inconsistent about when we remove content.
And they basically said that trying to play Whac-A-Mole and remove individual bits of content is inconsistent and not effective.
So what we're saying this week is very much in keeping with the cr board delivered.
Namely, we are now goi that is artificially generated.
(CROSSTALK) AMNA NAWAZ: in, that video showed a presidential candidate doing something he did not do.
How worried are you that those kinds of videos are going to be spread even more widely, and they actually could help spread dangerous information in a key election year?
NICK CLEGG: Well, I don't think it will be that dangerous as long as we can te that it is synthetic, that it is A.I.-generated.
And do remember, of course, that any synthetic an y of the candidates will immediately be noticed by those candidates.
So I don't think there's much risk that it'll go somehow unnoticed and many millions of people will see it and no one will realize.
And we will then, of course, be able to move -- if our automated system I described earlier haven't caught it already, we will then be able to label it.
So I'm -- I certainly don't want to be complacent, but I think considerable efforts will be made by us and others to make sure that users can, to the very best of our powers, be able to distinguish between something that has actually been produced authentically and something which has been produced by A.I.
And I hope also, in -- alongside our ad on Facebook or Instagram without declaring and disclosing that they have used A.I.
-- and if they do that, and they systematically try and avoid that policy, we will, of course, take action against them.
(CROSSTALK) AMNA NAWAZ: I'm respectful of your time.
NICK CLEGG: AMNA NAWAZ: You will take th NICK CLEGG: Yes, we have got a whole range with a warning if they have done it inadvertently, right through to basically saying they can't run ads on Facebook and Instagram.
There's a range of penalties An d I would have thought most mainstream campaigns woul with political ads on our platform.
So I think they have got AMNA NAWAZ: And, Nick, what's the role for lawmakers here?
I mean, there was a bipartisan bill that would offici content that deceptively portrays candidates for federal office in political ads.
Do you support that bill?
NICK CLEGG: I haven't much a need and space for regulation.
At the end of the day, we're talking here about the policies that we have developed, to the best of our abilities, about how users will be able to and viewers will be able to decide whether -- for themselves whether something is A.I.-generated or not.
But when it comes to elections, the elections belong to the people, to the countr to big tech companies.
And it really shou together across party lines and decide for themselves the guardrails that they want to apply in elections.
And we, of course, AMNA NAWAZ: That is Nick Clegg, president of global affairs at Meta, joinin Nick, thank you very much.
Good to see you.
NICK CLEGG: AMNA NAWAZ: Rachael Ortiz-Marsh is the co-owner of the Tennessee Trojans, a women's tackle football team in Nashville, Tennessee.
She founded the team in 2022 with her wife, Tessa, for women through sports.
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AMNA NAWAZ: And yo GEOFF BENNETT: And that is the "NewsHour" for tonight.
I'm Geoff Bennett.
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